Ep. 130 - Austin Dunbar
On this episode of the Creative Waffle podcast, I chat with Austin Dunbar of Durham Brand & Co. We talk about branding yourself, setting up on your own, working outside of work, university and internship advice. Hope you enjoy the show.
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Would you still go to university for design?
I would, and the reason is that there’s something to be said about learning by yourself, and learning your way of designing. They’re is also a whole other way of learning someone else’s s way which might impact the way you design or the way you look at design in general.
When you learn anything by yourself you’re kind of in a funnel, and you’re at the bottom of it. Whereas, places like the university you’re at the top of the funnel, you’re eyes are open wider to the things that you learn.
I feel like university is a padded room that they’re building you up in, so when you do leave and go into an internship, first hire, work for yourself, whatever it maybe, you’re not going into that blind.
But college/university is also what you make it.
How does someone get an internship with you?
Don’t stop when the work stops.
I was figuring it out when I had a full time job, literally making work just to make work. Learning new things on my own and the corporate side of deign, what I was getting paid for wasn’t the artistic side that I wanted to play with. I was just making stuff because it cost $0, just time and time is arbitrary in terms of cost.
I just started trying to figure out how to make stuff for me, stuff that I wanted to make that wasn’t influenced by X person or Y person it was just what was inside of me. I would set an hour for myself, put the whole family to bed and I’d have 60 mins to make something and throw it up (on instagram) wether it was good, bad or ugly.
That was the early stages of the mantra.
If you want to do something, surround yourself, wether online or in person, surround yourself with likeminded people. You are who your friends are. That stuff also applies to your professional life too.
For example if you want to be the most kick ass soccer badge designer, rad. Who are those people that are those people, how do you get in-contact with them, how do you introduce yourself as someone who is coming up in the game, who is hungry to do what they did. And you want to learn what they fed on to get where they are. That’s how you connect the dots.
What is some business advice that they don’t teach you at school or just good advice for working for yourself?
It’s not for everybody, don’t get caught up in a comparison trap where you think you have to own your own business to be successful.
There is a ton of sacrifice that you have to make, it may sound cliché but it’s completely true.
Be completely transparent and completely bulletproof in you as a person, what you want and what you’re trying to build. Don’t lose focus of that.
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Ep 130 - Austin Dunbar - Branding yourself and staying focused
[00:00:00] Hello, welcome to another episode of the creative waffle podcast. Today you’ll be listening to myself, Mark Hirons and Austin Dunbar. Austin runs Durham Brand and Co. Today on the show we'll be talking about a few different topics branding yourself sitting up on your own work outside of work. So working with the work stops. And University and internship advice.
[00:00:32] So it's a really really good episode lots lots of fantastic advice and the show Austin is a very charismatic guy. Who knows what he's talking about and I've had the experience to back up those words. So we hope you enjoyed this episode and to get the word out there. I love it. If you could share on social media, I take a screenshot right now and take out current footbots posting on Instagram stories or just leave a comment down below subscribe.
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[00:01:29] Or you can go down to link in this podcast and it will you be there as well. And so yeah, thanks very much. That's enough of me talking. Let's get into the podcast of Austin so welcome to the podcast. What's that? So yeah, first of all, who are you? What do you do and where you from? So, my name is Austin Dunbar.
[00:01:47] What I do is I design. I'm also a dad and I'm also married, but I was not to have called during Brady company and it is in Covington, Kentucky. So. Like the poor he's talked about [00:02:00] like the middle of the u.s. Yeah. There's a Durham in England. Yeah. So yeah, there's a Durham in North Carolina. So it's actually my middle name.
[00:02:10] Is why was why they kind of came about but but yeah, there's I get emails all the time for like people in the North Carolina who I want to buy merch or something or there's someone's last name has Durham on it that kind of things with kind of funny. But yeah, it is the Hoover Dam. No, that's even better.
[00:02:27] So I have it which is which is I think cool and I heard it's a real kick out City. But no, I haven't been man. There's like a beer scene there and there's like a like a minor league baseball team that thinks like pretty good. But yeah, I've been over there. You have to come over single one as well Miss Pitt County.
[00:02:43] So it's like massive area. But yeah, you have to come over right on man. So we're talking about before about what we talked about on the podcast and it'd be good to create like. That's almost a guide to for students and how how you can get this at your level or what you've done to get your [00:03:00] level and what you're planning on doing the future and I think we really interesting because there's something that I've worried about as in I look at people and think how the hell they get there.
[00:03:09] And if and if we can write down in this story that perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think too like the way that you're looking at. It's like sometimes like you're looking at the middle or the end of the book. Yeah already me for like the movie your oh how the hell did that just happen. If there's like all of these kind of like small wins or like big losses in the beginning to kind of like navigate if people to the place where they are like today to like we're talking but all I'll back up and keep like super super short.
[00:03:34] So live in Covington like a maid mentioned that grew up mostly overseas in Japan for most of it. So my father was in the Air Force my mother she. Was Gallery director for like seven Japanese art galleries overseas? So like I grew up in an art gallery grew up playing soccer that kind of stuff. But like when I was a kid, like I didn't really care about any of that kind of stuff.
[00:03:56] You know what I mean? Like I was in skateboarding like playing punk rock and just like be and just [00:04:00] trash teenager, but I think some of that kind of like culture and some of that artist that it kind of rubbed off kind of on the back end. I just didn't I didn't know it fast forward moved to the state's I went to the university went straight into a design program.
[00:04:15] Went through that. Let's break it down as we go along. So cool. I told you it quick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so when you're a kid, you're surrounding yourself with like a twill stuff and that's that's like just go with a lot of lot of students and a lot of people that get into design. Yeah. I talked to you so I was all stuff.
[00:04:36] We looking at Dex, you know, see what was it called need CSS CSS, I think ccs. The old Skateboard Magazine. I was here that like a catalog that you could buy from and all that stuff. It's just I think my Generations vinyl covers. Right? Right. So like the older generation, they're always like yeah, I'd go and flip you bands and be all these like record couples and everything else like no one really gives a shit about CD [00:05:00] booklet.
[00:05:00] I don't think but but I think like skateboard culture and that kind of stuff was just so loud and at the time so kind of like Against the Grain and like pseudo counterculture that there's just kind of an innate attractiveness to like the look tone and feel that stuff. There's a lot of bravado like there's just illustration layered type like nothing was illegal and skateboard Graphics, which I thought was a real kind of cool.
[00:05:25] So I was kind of attracted to some of that kind of stuff too and the same thing like paired with like the music I was listening to at the time as well. I get all kind of had that dialed up nature to it a little bit and just kind of that teenage 8 ask kind of look tone and feel so I was always I was always attracted to that kind of stuff.
[00:05:44] And you know I didn't but I didn't do in high school and stuff. I didn't take our classes. Like I just I just didn't like I wasn't I was a soccer player like I was living overseas and stuff. Like that was just playing soccer for me football for you. And and that's [00:06:00] just that's what it was but it wasn't until I actually came to the states and it was my senior year of college high school and I was doing a web development class and ended up winning like.
[00:06:12] A big web design award which I'm not good at web. I don't do that stuff anymore had to go like Disneyland for it and because of that there was like a little bit of design in it. I think that's what kind of open the faucet so to speak and went straight into design school at College was playing in bands and stuff like that doing like flyers and merchandise like really garbage looking things in high school and garbage looking things like Indian college.
[00:06:38] But yeah, that's kind of how it stair-step me straight into like design school. So you got you got into it from from doing this this award. That's like doing like band Flyers like promotional like unfortunately, like Myspace thinks and which is like so yesteryear and weird and kind of [00:07:00] fit you in until I category.
[00:07:02] But it's true like in like print collateral like we'd print these like really like shitty flyers for like shows and stuff. We'd make like really really bad merch and I was like and I was in like a bootleg Photoshop and everything. I didn't know what Ellis traitor was like everything was just Photoshop.
[00:07:16] And so did you want always cut you off because it's like how did you actually get into like start because people people make stuff is that how you got into excuse because you like the idea of making things. Yeah, I think I think really I think my personality is like learn by fire and so with with guitar, I taught myself with drums.
[00:07:40] I taught myself, you know with design. Pre-university I taught myself and so it was this I think like design and skateboarding and all of that stuff is all kind of finger on the same hand of creativity. You already mean and all that stuff kind of like intermingled in some weird way and so for me, it [00:08:00] was just another arm like designing and doing this and kind of figuring out this program was the same as like trying to figure out a good riff or like write a good song.
[00:08:09] You know what I mean? The process of like making creating was the. Same but it was just a different output. Cool. That's okay. I get it. She went back to America how to make America. Yeah still playing soccer or not. He'll know did you can look at me and know that no. Yeah. No. I wish I need to.
[00:08:29] We've been running I've been running but that's not soccer. I'd get destroyed I'd be like I'd be at the hospital. I'd be out of work if I was going to play soccer right now, I do you play. Yeah, it's awesome. I'm missing some stuff around me for sure. I miss it. It's it's I think I think soccer to is one of those one of those back-end games with like design as well.
[00:08:53] Like it's it's the. In put that directly correlates with the output and they're [00:09:00] not dissimilar like it's almost like the process of the game. To get you know one goal in the 90th minute not like the one goal in the 90th minute that was like the kind of like aha of the whole game. Does that make sense?
[00:09:13] I think I designed to make design process is very like a kin to that kind of like building and like the back end. To me like a little bit more attractive than like some fucking power forward could just smash the sick header to win the game, you know, because there's a lot of strategy and people may not think after if they're outside of the football world, but there's a lot of strategy and build up play and a lot of statistics.
[00:09:37] Just it's just awesome like that sort of side of it is a whole different world. Just yeah as your fan. Yeah, so like your story so let's get when you went back to America. He started this sign course. How did you find that? In high school or college or just either one Dave both? Yeah, either one.
[00:09:58] Yeah. Yeah. So so [00:10:00] so so high school we probably talked that back in college. I ended up having to stay in state for a handful of reasons. So stay in State and Kentucky and I ended up going to a university called Northern Kentucky University because it straight up was the farthest University away from this town that we move to so like I moved from like Okinawa Japan where like the world travels to which is like, The world's Hawaii to a place called Harrodsburg, Kentucky with like 7,000 people and it was like farmers and you know good old boys kind of thing, which is awesome and cool and hindsight, but I wasn't going to stay there long term.
[00:10:34] So I was only there for a little over year year and a half. And so I went to the farthest University away, which is only two hours North but they but they had like a kind of like an emerging design studio for scuse me. I'm curriculum and it was more like a fine art curriculum with design and you take design class some stuff that need also take like painting and sculpture.
[00:10:55] All this other kind of like secondary tertiary like art stuff. Yeah, so [00:11:00] they're like trying to teach you like foundations and color theory and those kinds of things while you're taking like type classes and packages on Collective courses and stuff like that Coupe Syrian front into then. Yeah, yeah, man for sure and I think too like hindsight.
[00:11:15] I'm kind of like an all-or-nothing person in general. I don't really flirt with a lot of stuff like it's either I'm going to do it. I'm not going to do it. So I think me just like jumping into the 12-foot end of the pool not really being good or knowing anything was like the only way I was going to be able to learn.
[00:11:32] Nice. Yeah this time to man there wasn't stuff like skill shared. This stuff didn't exist. Like would be podcast about design podcast was honey. No podcast was real back then and I don't think it was and so like these kinds of tools just didn't exist, you know, like you either like we're like Chuck Anderson from no pattern and you were just like a baller at 17.
[00:11:57] In Photoshop and you were able to work your way that way or [00:12:00] you went to a university or some sort of other school to kind of learn the ropes a little bit. Yeah, we'll finish it was this I won't version what oh shit it was. I remember when CS came out CS it was like Photoshop 8 dude, what were school?
[00:12:17] What was. Do you remember? Yeah, it was like pre CS like none of that. I was in college like when CS came out I was like what the hell is see us like I want to say like Photoshop 8 because I remember when I was on the bootleg version I was working on six and yeah, that's that's that was kind of funny.
[00:12:43] Would you still go to university today for design? That's a good question. I don't know if anyone's ever asked me that question. I would and the reason the reason I say I would is because [00:13:00] there's there's something to be said about learning by yourself and learning your way of Designing and there's a whole other there's a whole other way of learning someone else's way which might.
[00:13:10] Impact the way that you design or the way that you just look at design in general because I feel like when you learn anything by yourself, you're kind of learning in a funnel and you're at the bottom of the funnel but I think places like the university kind of you're at the top of the funnel and your eyes are a little bit more wide and your periphery of things that that you learn like design history likewise why design.
[00:13:30] Why design looks way does now because of what it used to look like back that how history repeats itself all of these things like just the tools and everything else. Now I do think design is going to hold your hand isn't going to make you good or make you a better designer whatever that means but I do think though it really kind of sets you up for what design culture is what it the good the bad the ugly the.
[00:13:57] The petty, you know, and I [00:14:00] feel that being in a university. It's like being in a really it's being like a nice padded room where you're kind of learning the stuff and you're learning the skills and like they're trying to build you up. So when you go out to the real world via like an internship or first hire for doing your own thing, whatever the case may be, you're not blind walking into it, you know, because I've seen portfolios of people who don't go to university which is totally fine.
[00:14:25] Who just think they're stops just the hottest shit and and I think that might be like a characteristic like personality traits you for some of these people but it's like no man, like like you don't even know color or like he's like fundamental things or like you don't know how to like lay a portfolio out or you know, those kinds of things.
[00:14:44] So I think I think going to University is good. I wasn't the best university student. I'm not saying like I was like an A-Plus student. I was there for design and design only it wasn't there for science with the lab to learn [00:15:00] about rocks. So don't I'm not some like I'm not some pillar of success when it comes to like college accolades, but I was there to learn what I wanted to learn and then I kind of got out and went from there.
[00:15:13] The school is there any tell you any tips on Surviving University any tips for surviving bothers most of. I think I think making the most I think making the most of it is you or literally there to explore don't look at Instagram or drip and see all these things exist. Now that didn't like back then don't look at any of these social media channels that are so heavy-handed design you can use those for inspiration, but don't use that for copy and.
[00:15:42] And don't look at people style and aesthetic and then only harp on that the four or five years that you're in school because it's not going to get you anywhere like you were literally paying to play and you're paying to learn your pain to investigate so spend that kind of time wisely because on the back end when you're looking for a job if you come in [00:16:00] and your books like a bunch of fill in the blank.
[00:16:02] Style a lot of places aren't necessarily looking for like a one Niche thing. They're kind of looking for a Swiss army knife of you have two other looking for someone that they can teach. So the more things that you're kind of interested in the more kind of fingers you have in the bucket while you're there I think the better because I think sometimes two people come out of college now this like fixed idea of like what they're going to do and they straight up a might not even be designed.
[00:16:29] To be honest or be there unhireable because no one wants to work on that stuff or it's not you. It's like internet cool and internet cool doesn't necessarily pay the bills, you know what I mean? So it's kind of a mixed bag, but I think get a big takeaway. It's just you're there to learn and you're there to play and just like it's as big it can College academic as big of an impact as you wanted to or as little as you want to but I think the big impact people are the ones are like desirable hires.
[00:16:57] To do whatever you want. [00:17:00] I mean go get internship or job or just do your own thing. Yeah. And what was your little thoughts come out of University? Like what did you want to do with designing? It is degree. You've got. So I was I was. I
[00:17:15] gotta like talk lightly be that not lightly out of talk like in code or some like weird way because I was working at had some big agencies. So I was working a big agencies when I was in college towards like the end of college and and because of some of that stuff I actually never received a diploma from school.
[00:17:34] So it kind of goes back to that thing like I'm not like. Like college USA. Yeah. Yeah, but but I was way into the program and I should have graduated but just circumstances where what they were and I was working for a real big Global agency and I was enjoying it but I wasn't liking it and it was one of those things where I was like I didn't go to college for this was doing big package design and big for big huge brands.
[00:17:58] And it [00:18:00] it lacks. It was like the business of design. So like what's we're schools like design is creativity. This was like design is Commerce and so it's a total different side of the coin and so my brain wasn't really adapted to this like kind of Commerce coin of having to design for big huge clients that it's like more corporate and ABC and D.
[00:18:20] So I was there for a little bit and left and worked at a smaller firm. Still doing big work. It was doing stuff like gig posters and doing it posters for all kinds of bands. And that's where I kind of was able to bring some of that I think kind of that High School angst a little bit trying to jump tail that conversation and some of that grit and some of that into my work and that place was able to help me kind of start like tone of voice and being able to kind of carve yourself out and the Sea of sameness.
[00:18:51] Which is kind of looked on the field, but I left there and worked at another agency in Chicago. And that was [00:19:00] that was kind of my story man. I kind of just really padded the longest job I've ever had German brand and Company the second longest design job I had was for a year and eight months. So this has been rock and roll and for six years.
[00:19:12] So that's a big step. That's a big that's a big spread. And that's my path is not like my one is like straight up like learned by fire which isn't everyone's and I've been like torch and scorched a handful of times but it's kind of where where I am now, but I was able to kind of like lily pad from places and because of that being able to Lily Pad I was able to learn different.
[00:19:38] Things from different agencies and Design Studios and organizations and not only like how to design fast like how to talk to a client. What is the pitch deck look like what kind of soil like? Yeah. Well, it's just my perspective just be like picking up different ways of doing things like looking at so I've done not not same but then a couple of internships and work experiences and [00:20:00] that at.
[00:20:00] Businesses and agencies and clients and companies and it's like you say sorry. Like I say, yeah, it's yeah you pick up different things and you are you maybe go to one company like oh that's not really how I want to run my business and you go to next one. That's how you do it. Right what? I think I think what's the most valuable to sometimes is learning what not to do.
[00:20:24] Yeah, absolutely what to do and I'm super fortunate to be able to workers and some pretty big spots and Equus fortunate to work with some of the smaller spots. And so that that kind of like sea salt really kind of sent centralizes you into like what you want to do because you have so many like is is not yeah and do and do not sign either side.
[00:20:45] And so I think that's been super helpful for me even just as a person like sayings like work, but like how how am I a person? Answer designer and a business owner and being on this business side of design. Like how do I want to do? I want to run a [00:21:00] business not like what a project looks like so to speak so that's a super valuable and in school will never teach you that school is not going to teach you the business of design.
[00:21:09] Like I said, you're there to have fun and be creative. Absolutely. The design world will kind of teach you that stuff. So when you were in college and university you were you manage to get this job at this big agency? I'm not sure if we want to say the name, but it's a it's a big company a very very big company.
[00:21:26] You have a global. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so how do you do this? Because this is like something that just to go get is do they they work on stuff outside of college. They really push themselves. I know if you people like it and it's fantastic. State because yeah that the people are going to make it so it was about what were you doing to get yourself a job while still in college?
[00:21:47] I was just working hard, you know, and I know that such just a blanket answer but I think it's true like hindsight looking back. I've actually given I've actually given talks to University students where I showed the portfolio that [00:22:00] I. Made to get hired. It is garbage. It is so bad. But just for him for reasons the times change the looks changed like skills changed Everything's changed but it's a cool.
[00:22:11] I think it's a cool way for me to kind of go back to that dog ear and the page of like where I was when I was in their footsteps and be able to show them like this is bullshit garbage work. Like if I can get a job you can get a job kind of thing and I think really what really what for me. I think the work in the portfolio I think was I think was good enough to get a job, but I wouldn't have I don't know if I would have hired me to be honest just because we were Iran with there's a bunch of buddies of mine.
[00:22:44] I was friends with and we're always running around and we are kind of like these we were early 20s, you don't I mean we're doing early 20 things and like design was a way to. To make to make money even though it was at a big at a big agency, but I didn't take it as seriously as I [00:23:00] take it now it kind of was a little bit more of a Summer Fling until it got a little bit more serious.
[00:23:07] And so it's kind of treated that way a little bit but but yeah, I think the work in the deck is what got me hired. I think maybe just what for me to like even now hiring interns and everything else like. I'm so much more apt about hiring a person in a portfolio. I'd rather you be a good person have a good personality being a teammate versus some rock star Kick-Ass portfolio because I don't care about that.
[00:23:29] I'd like to see good work, but I'm not here for for us to go through a hundred pages of you thinking this thing's like. Bulletproof when if you're not a good person like we can't hang out, you know, someone getting intention with you then if it's a few of the big agency owner, where you hey, yeah, how does someone get internship you if what were you looking for now?
[00:23:51] Yeah, I honestly I honestly it's completely it's a personality based kind of thing. I know [00:24:00] that some very strange. How do you get personality across and like a cold blanket email or like a letterhead or portfolio? But that's up to that stuff does come across and so the studio gets like internship applications all the time.
[00:24:12] We actually just hired the new summer intern last Friday and he's going to be starting and there's loads of ways you can do that as long as we always yeah, there's lots of ways and I think I think it's not always just it's not always hey, my name's fill in the blank fill in the blank from filling the blank Place.
[00:24:32] Here's a portfolio. There's a handful of people have done some cool stuff. To be like grab attention and we do the same exact thing like to get new clients. Like we were talking today like work. We're coming out with something. That's we can't talk about yet, but it's this. Is we wanted to be attention-grabbing?
[00:24:52] So whether you're whether you're a 19 year old kid in college or your 30 Old 32 year old dude run a [00:25:00] business like you still need to grab people's attention. And and I think that's the I think the point of differentiation between people getting internships. But again, like it all hinges on personality and it hinges on.
[00:25:14] Being teachable and being willing to work hard and I think those kinds of things are just like character traits that are that college won't teach you, you know what I mean in their portfolio portfolio can only get you so far if you're a shitty person if you have a if you have if you have a see portfolio and you're an A+ person like you're gonna get real far in life.
[00:25:36] So that's really good. And I I've had people who getting getting creative with applications and like say grabbing it, right? So I got really bad people actual physical cigarette very needful what we catch our attention videos big. No one male stuff anymore, which I find interesting and no one has.
[00:25:58] No one has hard decks [00:26:00] anymore, which I also find interesting because everything else digital which as it should be but like people used to have to mail portfolios and maybe these like physical books and have to put together. And so if someone said that I'm like damn like who is this like they put time into this and the person alluded to for the new internship came in digitally shown a lot of stuff but he was like also like here's the thing.
[00:26:21] I just made and to us it looks like mock-up. And is like digital format, but it is he just like photographed it so that was kind of cool, you know, I mean to be able to see this like digital in this analog version as well and be able to see that craft. Like I think you could really I think craft is key.
[00:26:38] Even if you're digitally speaking. I think that's not definitely comes across in final product for sure. And so yeah, I think there's there's you can do the color papers or print on holographic paper or you know, you know stamp your stamp your resume and deerskin like I don't know people are doing all kinds of crazy ass shit but videos big because I think video [00:27:00] notion that's just its what.
[00:27:02] Already happening, and it's going to continue to happen. I don't see across the video as well. Yeah, exactly and it's more it's more this right versus versus just like this and you're looking at like numbers and where you work and also other stuff and so it automatically kind of like introduces you as a person versus kind of this.
[00:27:27] Hey, I'm So Into looking for an internship. Here's my stuff. Nice. Yeah, so what's one thing that you did to get intention towards get the job? But I think probably it's just short of tons of work just showing range and I haven't be not have to be one note, you know, like and again we still do that today.
[00:27:51] So acquiesced in the fact that yesterday of all kinds of work. And it's figuring out how all those chapters work together. You know, I mean like you want chapter one to [00:28:00] go into chapter 2 to go into chapter 3 to chapter 4, you can't go for my chapter 1 and like hop in chapter 9 and it because and then go back to five in terms of like flows and and everything else and I think being able being able just to be able to tell a story through your work like page from page to the end of the page the back page I think.
[00:28:23] Is key and it's not always a numbers game like if you show up with I'd rather have someone have five banging-ass projects then 50. Okay projects because to me like I'm not in a quality game. I'm going to Quality game and I'd rather see the thinking in the soccer strategy of these five projects versus.
[00:28:45] Hey, I played 50 matches, like look how. Look how the volume of this is good. It's like not man like or no my lady. This isn't this isn't how this works. Like, I'd rather I'd rather people come with more curated deep Dives [00:29:00] than a lot of like one-offs not make sense. Yeah, so you're going through this job is picking up different things.
[00:29:06] Yeah. Nice job. What we was one thing. What's the biggest thing? You've learned or taken away from each each one. In general. Yeah, I think I think in general people whether it's big agency small agencies one, man bands, whatever the case may be and I've said this I've said this before to other places like graphic design is not about project.
[00:29:29] It's about people and it's relation. Clients only want to work with people and Design Studios and agencies. Whatever the case may be if they click right the last thing you want is this friction between because it's it's a relationship. It's never if it's if it's jaded and jacked. It's like a hard relationship to work through but if it's cohesive and it's working together.
[00:29:52] It's a different it's kind of a different story. So I think I think knowing that I think is definitely is definitely key. [00:30:00] And that's kind of that's yet. I think it's good. Take away like all the best places. I worked to this day. Those people are still really good people and they have huge kick ass huge kick ass brands that they're working on and they deserve it, you know, and they're rocks are designers.
[00:30:16] Yeah, but they're better people for sure. But I know what Bobby Ewing's been on this like that's I love Bob and like Bob like one of the bombs one of the best the best people in the game and he's a he's a kick-ass Talent. You have designer of course, but like if I was ten percent above you and I'd be a damn good dude is awesome guy who really really cool be like several.
[00:30:38] I just amazingly nice as well though stuff. He's doing for charity. And yeah exactly Community here. Yeah. That's awesome. So you went for all these jobs you started on your own you thought that now it's time like what was going for your for your brain? And when did you realize you want to do it on your own?
[00:30:57] I was I was [00:31:00] working for us working for a place. So it's kind of like Nick's professional mix personal. My wife was pregnant with our second kid and I was traveling back and forth to Chicago every week which is five hours five and a half hours away from here. But I was working on stuff I wanted to work on I was working on big beer brands and things like that.
[00:31:20] And so the work kind of kept me in Chicago, but my family was down here. And so I did that for a year going back and forth and during that time a really kind of realized. I had a lot of travel time, you know, I was riding a bus. I wasn't in the beginning. I was riding a bus. I wasn't taking planes and stuff.
[00:31:36] So I had. Like each week. I had a lot of hours traveling commuting like thanks myself. Like what am I doing? Like I'm a dad like what the hell is that mean and how do I better my family is better in my family being six hours away, you know those kinds of like weird like real like deep stuff and when you do this, so you're fine.
[00:31:56] Dude. I was 24. [00:32:00] Wow, yeah. Yeah, so I was yeah, I was a kid man. I was 24 and we had Sophia when she was when I was 25. Yeah. So I was I was young I was young and so yeah just doing that doing that kind of back and forth and just kind of planting the seeds of. I want to do my own thing ended up coming back home here to like going to Kentucky Cincinnati working for an agency for five months.
[00:32:30] But during that time. I had people throughout kind of the u.s. Call me just to be like freelance gigs. And so basically it came to a point where I was making more money after my nine-to-five and I was 9 to 5 and buy more money. I mean like. I didn't know at the time that like if you got it, I'm new simple math.
[00:32:53] You got a check for ten dollars. That's about taxes are taken out of that like those kinds of things. Right? So like the monetary [00:33:00] math was higher, but maybe not necessarily like what I was making to the salary, but I I just I kind of just goes back like I kind of just like jumped All In. Like I didn't want to flirt I didn't want to flirt with having a full-time job and then wanted to do this thing on the side at the time.
[00:33:20] I was just going by Austin Dunbar just because I was a freelancer I was contracted for people and I was kind of a Hired Gun for other other agencies around the u.s. And being able to work on similar Brands, which was cool, but I didn't like doing that either because. I felt like I didn't have anything that was permanent.
[00:33:37] I didn't have anything that I could own like I own, you know pages of a private PDF portfolio that I could send but know that stuff was my work. It was someone else's work. And actually my wife was pregnant with our third kid. So we have three two fighters were done. And that's the end of that story and it [00:34:00] it just was one of those things like where it was like the 9 to 5 is here and then the thing was here and I was like, I'm just gonna go and so just completely yeah just completely left and didn't have a safety net didn't have any idea of what it would look like.
[00:34:16] I didn't have the studio yet either. I'm still trying to figure that out. So I'm still doing kind of. Austin Dunbar, so this is 2013. But I knew I wanted to start a design studio. And I knew I wanted it to be bigger than me. But when you quit your job, you can't do that. That's not how that works.
[00:34:34] And so we come on Slide the burning of it minute but he like something is very clear of you and just that you do work outside work as front of your on your subject. You scared. Yeah. Yeah. But what are the seven seven? Seven things you say or six things? How many things is it? What was the it was I think it was seven rules.
[00:34:56] See I don't even know. Yeah, I think I think was seven. Yeah, just one of [00:35:00] those like do I keep on working when the work stops? And I don't stop don't stop working when the work stops. Yeah. I think that's what I heard that on the Scottish Russell podcast. And so I saw the picture of it all and when I heard it when you heard you say it as a wow, that's like that's my life philosophy.
[00:35:16] I just said so yeah. So yeah, that was really cool and what it must be just a massive passion then fit for you do that outside of that hours. Yeah, man, I think I think again to it's like goes back to the goes back to what I was saying earlier. It's like just like figuring it out. You know, I was figuring it out when I had a full-time job.
[00:35:35] I was making literally making work just to make work. I was learning new things kind of like on my own and the the corporate side of design, but I was getting paid for wasn't necessarily like the artistic side of design, but I wanted to play with right. I was just making stuff because it cost zero dollars.
[00:35:55] All it costs is time but times arbitrary, you know, in terms of cost. It doesn't matter [00:36:00] and I'd have a baby on my lap just like riffin work and this is like in the early stages like Instagram to which was which was kind of funny and interesting as well kind of coming up coming up in that time and you would see people's work.
[00:36:15] You're like, holy hell this is so good. And whether you know, it's just perception, right? But it kind of like open it kind of opened the world to like other people. Obviously, there's blogs like found I line and all that stuff existed but I just started trying to figure out and make stuff for me that I wanted to make that wasn't influenced by X person or why person it's just like what inside of me do I want to make right now and I would sit like an hour for myself.
[00:36:43] Yeah. So I put the house to bed put like the whole family to bed and I'd have 60 Minutes post all of that. To make something and throw it up whether it's good bad ugly or indifferent and that was kind of like my time test [00:37:00] exercise or just designing just kind of making stuff. So yeah, man, so that's that.
[00:37:06] Yeah. So that's kind of like the early kind of stages of that that launcher that we were talking about and it's totally correlates today, you know. Yeah, I mean is it so important like since even those I've heard a lot of designers and creative talk about like what I playing around with different things like so you did it on the computer all day and then they go home and they doing I paintings and like they're doing different things can be like with different materials and handmade stuff because it's like it is simulating a different part of that creative mind is really important really important.
[00:37:37] My my thing now is so that's what I used to do. I used to go home or you know work. And then and then go home and like play dad and stuff and then go and design like I can't do that anymore. There's just too many. There's too many sticks on plate to the other spin everything else. I need like a detox from the computer to a degree like so now that secondary creative that is like [00:38:00] cooking.
[00:38:00] Like all I want to do is just like cook all day on day your enemy and because it's the say is like cooking for me is what design is for me? Like I'm giving something to you and like we can share this. It's be like a community cooking obviously verbatim that like design isn't for me. It's not for Durham branding company.
[00:38:16] Fuck that who cares it's like for week. You know what? I mean? Like, I'm not gonna cook. I'm not going to cook a meal for myself that's like that. I'm wanting to just be by myself. I want to share it with people right one sit around the table and talk to you and I want to learn about you and vice versa and those kinds of things it's communal.
[00:38:32] So that's what I do. Now it triggers the same part of my brain. So I think yeah cooking's like my now like guitar music. Filling nice. So the advice is get doing stuff isn't your stuff you like doing I like crab legs or different things outside of that sort of you have to yeah, you have to man like his because if you like how many times have you heard someone?
[00:38:56] Oh, I got to work nine to five. The last thing I want to do is design. Yeah when I [00:39:00] called Fair. If you do something else but like what do you want to do? Like if you're wanting to better being a designer like you have to keep knives sharp and you have to sit there and you have to keep designing because you're not going to keep your knives sharp any other way like between 9 to 5, like you learned so much more kind of post that just as you as a person then then you're going to be a creative director when you're paid to sit in a seat.
[00:39:26] Absolutely. Absolutely. So yeah, how have you developed? The whole brand has more than one person when it's when it started as one person and what would what so you started it started the whole agency thing looking like one person is reasoning behind that and how is it going I had to so well, I didn't want to be starting out.
[00:39:49] I did want to have. I didn't want to be looked at as one person. I didn't want to be a wedding photographer here. I mean, I don't want to go up being like awesome Dunbar and it's like a picture of me like holding the [00:40:00] camera in a park be like, I'll take your senior pictures like it was it was I didn't I knew what I didn't want to be right.
[00:40:08] So we kind of talked about that earlier and I didn't want to have some Coca name either like something like.
[00:40:19] Do something since your it was kind of this ambiguous cerebral thing. Like I use I was like make a joke. Like I didn't want to be something like Rocket Fuel design or something like that. Like will Propel will Propel your vision to a place of yeah, exactly. Behind strategy. Yeah, Beyond strategy beyond the stratosphere is where you view our designs in this ethereal know like all that bullshit.
[00:40:49] I don't want to do that. Like I like I like I always liked name. So I always liked names I like. I like brands that are named based like bring the car hard and Filson [00:41:00] and Levi's in like all of these just nomenclature based People based names and so not going Austin Dunbar and not going like Dunbar Studio cause there's actually Studio the Nether and called Studio Dunbar with the em, and they destroyed their so good.
[00:41:18] I went with my middle name Durham because if you knew cool if you didn't that's fine as well because. Austin done by was the one sending emails and then put Brandon company at the back end of it because in the beginning I wanted to have like the Studio's on brand or clothing brand and eventually I want to be able to bring people on board and kind of have this company of people and the name was long enough to where you could break it up in a bunch of different ways.
[00:41:43] Like it could be Durham brand and Company could be DB Co, you know good kind of stacked itself and a bunch of different kind of ways that looked good on shirts or web Miss than the other and what it really did. Kind of like danced around the team idea and it kind of flirted with the team [00:42:00] idea and it let the brand be forward facing versus a team being forward facing because I feel like clients their value isn't value in the deliverables that they're getting back has nothing to do with how many peoples on payroll.
[00:42:15] You know, they don't care how the sausage is made. They just want to damn good sausage. So my value my value and that was to be able to bring a damn good sausage saying how many hands touched it right? And so let the work speak for itself. And so if you're like, oh it's an agency of 20 people or ten or five or whatever that's on that's on the viewer.
[00:42:39] Not on. The studio being like Hey, we're 20 people here, like our family photo at the Christmas event hire us for your next t-shirt gig or whatever, you know, I mean that kind of stuff. I wanted to stay separate from all that kind of stuff. Yeah. That's cool that make sense and. So yeah opens up for that similar reasons why it's deep blue dear.
[00:42:58] But then I chose one [00:43:00] key name like to do whatever ma'am. I think Swanky. It's just yeah, every name names are wanky in general. Like it doesn't matter like like anything and you can name a company anything and it doesn't matter what the name as long as the association's good write it like it just straight up.
[00:43:18] It's just straight up doesn't matter and I think that's even with like Design Studios to like there's some just garbage names. For agencies like your creative person. Like how do you think that it's good but they're the ones laughing because they're the ones, you know, run into the bank with some garbage name on the top of their check.
[00:43:34] But you know, it does it doesn't matter like names all Association. So blue dear. I see it back there. Is that a CD player back there too. This is what is that a CD player? Like what's back there? I was so sad because we got it. We got it. Yes. It's a CD player and we've got a little bit of vinyl record player our sweet corn meal.
[00:43:55] Yeah, because I'm just now seeing the deer over your shoulder. That's kind of funny that you said [00:44:00] that you wanted to. It's lots of stuff like that. Every Christmas I get something something new idea related. That's cool though is it's cool. I listened closely like cushions somewhere as well. Like there's loads of stuff like mugs and mats and are they do you like deer antler sitting around?
[00:44:17] No, that's what I'm gonna do what I'm gonna get if I get a studio or I can my own house. I'm probably gonna get like a massive deer head on the wall and paint a the antlers group. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I'm gonna go. There you go. Cool, man. Yeah, so, how did you get your how did you get as good as you got or is your house?
[00:44:36] How did I get as good as I got? I don't know if I'm good. And I don't know how I got it. Like I think I'm still working through it. You don't mean to be quite honest. I don't yeah. Everyone's working progress. Like I would the last thing I have time to sit back and look at yesteryear like count Laurels right as like their tokens.
[00:44:56] It's like trophies. Yeah, I'd rather. I'd [00:45:00] rather keep my head down and keep my knife shot sharp. And that's really the only Testament I can have, you know, I really kind of focused in and dialed in on the business side of design anytime you go like whole hog, and some stuff you got to sacrifice some other stuff too and like, you know, I my family's the raddest my wife's the best and you know, there's times where like Durham brand companies been like 90% of Austin Dunbar didn't lie.
[00:45:26] The Dunbar family's been 10% and because I was like so dialed into the studio to be able to get the studio to where I thought I'd it needed to go where I wanted it to go. And I think I'm only as good as I was like, I'm only as good as what I was yesterday what that client said about the work I presented job.
[00:45:47] You don't even like and I can only focus on like how to keep doing that tomorrow. I do I do think I do think though. I think Goods kind of like a weird term to its [00:46:00] kind of going back like Studio names its Association base. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'd rather I'd rather all use my said earlier about internships for me.
[00:46:09] Like I'd rather be a see designer an A+ do. And people can like see through the see design style and oh, yeah, man, that guy's real good because he's a good person versus like some like rock star designer with some big-ass snake. He's just like a piece of shit human like I don't want to be that kind of person and so like I think I think I think personality and portfolio our hand in hand.
[00:46:33] And I think those things are in our Tandem and I just so happen to build a brand. In a studio based off of personality, I think because that's the only thing I had was like I was in the steps to do that if ya again, yeah, I all I had so like designs cool. I like design. I like looking at design. I don't really care about like a kick-ass logo for a [00:47:00] restaurant.
[00:47:00] I'm never going to go to anymore. I'm kind of past that. I'm kind of past that Mirage a little bit. I think what I've always been attracted to ever since I was young was like word vocabulary and the Cadence of words. Now, you can say something and a handful of different ways and I think word and copywriting is something in the design tool kit that not a lot of people use really well and they have to like bring in a copywriter to fill that void.
[00:47:26] But I feel like copyright or sometimes dude. There's some like really really good. They that that are incredible and I don't write novels. I write statements. And so I never be able to write some like long-winded client thing, but I feel like I've always had kind of a knack for forwards and being able to pair visual with verbal just because to me it makes it a little bit stronger and that's the kind of stuff that.
[00:47:53] That I really was I think trying to investigate when I was starting off like that work outside of work stuff. Like what is [00:48:00] my visual voice and not just visual like what is my visual voice? And how does that come off and you know a 1080 by 1080 Square. How does that come off in a portfolio has it come on the website and that stuff like I really sweat and I really I really try to like labor over and make sure it's like spot-on.
[00:48:20] For how I want it to come off and be perceived. Yeah, so trying to get some like tangible things that you could do though. So like yeah, right. I was just able to answer your question. He's always had that so. You look crazy after if you want to start your own brand you have you looking at yourself you thinking what do I like and so so, how did you how did I know because every sort of also good saying, yeah, look at yourself and how do you find out what you like?
[00:48:49] If you've got that written down on a piece of paper, you know, what you like? You know, what you want to do in the in the agency life. What how do you create that a design out of that? How do you transport transport that into a [00:49:00] brand an example? So say say that yeah. I want to be soccerbase designer like just so I can see what what seems so how would I go about branding myself for that?
[00:49:14] Right? I think I think for me when when I was doing this, I guess like a takeaway. I think some of the things I mentioned earlier like our hearts and the Philistines and those kinds of things. There's a visual aesthetic to that. There's kind of an overall look tone and feel that the student was trying to play into right like I didn't want it to be.
[00:49:33] Retro I didn't want it to be Americana but I did want to have kind of little bit of this gray in this bravado to it. And so that was kind of the North Star that I was trying to trying to like hang my hat on right? Like, how can I how can I own this kind of Midwestern work ethic without having to be like a farmer like holding tools right a tractor and like Good Ol Boy kind of stuff.
[00:49:57] So, how do I have how do I have grit [00:50:00] as in texture, but not dirt. How do I have bravado with within the context of like working hard versus being better than and so just figuring that kind of stuff out is where yeah, I was kind of playing into and so I think those kinds of Brands women for those kinds of Brands.
[00:50:18] I was kind of looking at. And I like things that don't take themselves too. Seriously, and I like people that don't take take themselves too. Seriously, and I think they're I think design sometimes lacks humility and I think being able I think being able to kind of dance around humility when you're doing this kind of stuff to is a good gut check and to everyone I know personally is a really good person and I love a lot.
[00:50:43] And they would shoot anything down at the game that became it off. Any which way so I think having like a good like friend group that you can be like, hey, what do you think about this or showing this that has nothing to do with design? They are looking at it face value. They're not looking at it for cool guy [00:51:00] status or like sweet model line illustration.
[00:51:02] Probably dear, you know, I'll make an example like they just look at it. How other I think people generally will look at it but being able to do that too. I think it's a good kind of gut check with what you want the deal where you want to go because at the end of the day like you have to be honest with yourself like you can't fake yourself because if you do you're a used car salesman and no one's going to want to buy some piece of shit Honda that you're trying to sell for a bunch of dollars when it breaks down in a week.
[00:51:29] You know, it's like you wanted if I'm honest myself and if I'm going to be honest the clients and so being able to kind of get Chuck yourself the door before you start working on anybody stuff. I think it's a good way to get way to start. Yeah. Okay, so. Go back to the football thing. So saying saying that you wanted to you need to sort of find out what people like in the in the in the people you're trying to build out the audience that sort of thing and like being being true to that.
[00:51:55] So you mean like like so if you wanted to be a football badge designer you want to find out what other people are doing another [00:52:00] of a. Of a football teams doing and trying like brand yourself alongside that yeah. Yeah. I think I think looking I think looking at that kind of stuff to take an inspiration from it be inspired by but don't be dictated by.
[00:52:14] Yeah, and yeah, but even if you want to be a football badge designer know that there's other things within like the badge world that you could be that you might not you might not even know exist, right? So kind of explore that round and not just look at football teams, you know, for example or sports teams.
[00:52:34] Look at like look at crests look at you know old military stuff like the badges of the patches on that kind of stuff because you kind of learn this visual vocabulary like a soccer badge is very much like a flag with cute only use x amount of colors and Marine techniques. They keep you the keep you pretty buckled down when it comes to be able to make those kinds of things and I think knowing those guardrails and being able to figure out.
[00:52:58] You know how to play with them as [00:53:00] guardrails to make something new and unique or it doesn't maybe have to be unique but oh this could look like this could be professional or whatever the case may be. Just knowing that stuff. I think it's good. But don't be aimless when you're creating. So you're aimless when you're creating you might as well be a you know, Self Portrait Painter because it doesn't it's not going to go anywhere.
[00:53:21] Yeah, I'm trying and trying to like think about because you give it a try to try to try to fish something out of me. I don't know. I don't like I think I think the like if you want to do something surround yourself. Whether it's online in person, whatever the case may be surround yourself with people that are like minded you are who your friends are that stuff also applies to your professional life as well the whatever whatever that whatever that may be and whatever you want to be the most Kick-Ass soccer Babson iron the world rad who are those people that are those people?
[00:53:55] How do you get in contact with them? How do you introduce yourself as a person who's coming [00:54:00] up in the game? Who's hungry to do what they did and you want to learn what they found on. To get where they are. That's how you kind of connect those dots and yeah, and so maybe that as a better answer your question, but that's that's I've surrounded myself with like people that were the I looked up to even as friends and we always challenged each other and I think we're all better because of.
[00:54:27] Nice today. That's a good answer. How's it going to say? I'm sorry. I was trying to start it took 10 minutes to get you there. But no, I think it's moment of a good advice as well. He's I just like it because I people listening along and death and thinking I'm sorry. Yeah. What the hell? Where's he going?
[00:54:43] Yeah. Yeah so start now you're obviously working for yourself and you've got this big thing going on like what's some advice for people want the wanting to do that? Ike's sa maybe business business advice they don't teach you at school or even just working yourself. That was a good tip to [00:55:00] know I think I think good tips for working for yourself or you're starting a business for yourself.
[00:55:07] It's not for everybody. Don't there's don't don't get caught up in a comparison trap to where you feel like you have to own your own business to be successful. There's more people I know who are so so much better designers are so wildly successful at really really great agencies who they're like, I don't want that life and there's a ton of sacrifice kind of made mention about earlier, but you really have to sacrifice for what you want.
[00:55:32] That might sound cliché but it completely is true and be like completely transparent completely bulletproof for you as a person with what you want and what you're wanting to build and don't lose focus of that because it's real easy to go get a job. It just is there's jobs everywhere. It's a lot harder to keep my own job.
[00:55:53] So I kind of keep my eyes on the prize my nose down the computer and just make sure that I'm constantly working so. [00:56:00] I don't have to look up and kind of get lost in thought of like, oh, what if I did this or what happened if this happened this kind of thing and you know, and there's just the Ebbs and flows of business are verbatim the Ebbs and flows of life.
[00:56:12] Like it's not all good days. It's not all double tap Instagram posts. It's a lot of like, oh shit like this is really bad. How am I going to fix this problem and just knowing that coming in like it's not all it's not a disco party every day. And there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes to run a graphic design business that has nothing to do with graphic designing.
[00:56:35] So I'm more interested. Yeah, I'm more interested in being like a good business owner that I am being like a good Instagram poster. Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly because it that I think you told me before that guy. She the work rather than just, you know, your peers liking your work on Instagram. So yeah.
[00:56:50] Yeah for sure which is cool. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, but you know, what's a double tap get you? They get it. Yeah, this is for the right [00:57:00] people but nice to get that to people that the clients you'd understand. What's happening. That's what you need. That's what you need. Yeah, exactly man. We're not up or even better not double tapping and they're like, hey, we watch her Instagram for X for all x x amount of months.
[00:57:13] We want to hire you on this some X Project and then you're trying to like figure out who these ghosts followers are whatever the case may be like who's following you he's watching you but that stuff happens to but yeah, I mean don't get don't get caught up in the likes and the comments that stuff's for.
[00:57:26] For now, it's not forever. Let's go ahead and let's get us. Okay the last couple questions. I lost you go a bit deeper. So the first one is what's your best purchase under $100 under $100. I was going to say are pods. But those are over a hundred dollars by a little bit best purchase under $100.
[00:57:51] True story actually, it's one of my favorite things my wife and I when we got married we had we had zero dollars. We're in Chicago all this kind of stuff [00:58:00] and like we bought we had to put on an AMEX card two of our wedding bands. That was like $99 for both of them. I think was like a hundred dollars total and it's like it's one of my favorite things because it's like completely destroyed and.
[00:58:16] And I know that sounds funny, but.
[00:58:28] I think it's just like it's one get you a new one. I'm like why? It's like super soft and it's just like all like it kind of looks like I'm not going to put it to the camera because it won't be able to tell anything but it looks like you know like a bar top like a copper bar top words like hammered and just like dense and drinks past and shit like that like that straight up with the rain looks like but silver so that's that definitely be my favorite purchase under a hundred bucks.
[00:58:52] That's awesome. That's really cool. What's your that's a good question by the way. Yeah. It is a hundred bucks. It's like [00:59:00] shit. Yeah, the bowling alley. Okay, like think of a few. You got loads of money over there by the sounds of it at $100. No. No, that's not even that's not even close to being close to be the truth.
[00:59:16] But it's one of those things where you know, you got to studio and family of five and and house and all stuff and social sitting here. It's like a hundred bucks a hundred. Yeah, that would be it for sure as well because people you can by laser valuable things over $100. But yeah something valuable that you actually use and you attach.
[00:59:34] Yeah in like in exactly like and it goes back to what I was saying earlier about the clients value and stuff. Like it's I think under a hundred bucks. You want to be sentimental, you know, you want mean something you wanted to you want $100 to stretch. For a long time first is like a one-night stand.
[00:59:50] It's like $100 to Cologne. Is that facility? Okay, so you probably already know this but what are some values to live by [01:00:00] hmm? I
[01:00:07] you you are what you put in. And I think that wholeheartedly. And I think that no matter what you do or what you're called to do or what your profession is where your creative or your accountant to smash the calculator or your whoever you you you are who people say you are because that's what you put out.
[01:00:32] So I think being able to kind of like investigate your reason why. And you recently what who you are and who you want to be. I think that's like real big because then everything else can kind of circle around that and the way I think the way that the Universe works it just things attract certain things and I think you know law of attractions really so being able to put that stuff out.
[01:00:56] I think I think big so whatever that may be, you know what I mean, but you are what you [01:01:00] put in. And so it's not like those like t-shirts. It's like you are what you eat so I much I must be broad sure what some shit like that like a little bit more cerebral that but you get what I'm saying? Yeah, it's good.
[01:01:12] It's good. The last question. How did you want to be remembered? Damn, that's a good question.
[01:01:26] Man, I don't know. I don't know. I think I think. Probably a good dad. Like designs whatever, you know, I mean designs designs a suit that looks cool with holes in a denim jacket or whatever you don't I mean it's a facade like that stuff is like that stuff's like real stuff. It's like blood stuff.
[01:01:47] Like I'd rather be a good dad and a good father to be a good designer any day in my life. So it kind of goes back to what I said earlier, but that sacrifice stuff. So I'm like trying to figure out that balance of like. How do I bring how do I value my life? [01:02:00] Awesome Dunbar more than Durham's life.
[01:02:02] And so yeah, man, I think that's that's what I want to be remembered by and then all the other stuff be, you know, fine, but that's secondary and tertiary, you know what I mean? Good designer good business owner good, you know Community person like all that stuff whatever but if my kids are like, yeah, my dad's Kick-Ass and he was he was a really good father for us and he tell us.
[01:02:22] You know valuable lessons. I have three daughters. That's a huge. That's a big thing. And that's a that's a weight that I carry real personally and it's and it's real. It's a big deal for me to you know, raise three strong women. So especially in today's world, you know, that's what I that's what I need to invest in a while I would be known for awesome.
[01:02:43] I love it. How much been focused dude, of course like I appreciate it. I'm question for you. Check one. Why did you start podcasting? Well, it's good question. I think it I think I was thinking about this the other day. I think it comes down to [01:03:00] your quote. Don't keep like keep on working when the when the work stops.
[01:03:04] I don't have any work. So I'm doing this because you're like episodes in yeah. Yeah, whatever. We're a hundred twenty episodes now, so it's that's crazy. How have you how view I'm nobody? How did you get guys? How'd you get like sagmeister on here and and people like that like just emailing? Yeah, you know them.
[01:03:27] Yeah, you must be a million dollars, but it's not a just just just emailed me the other day that everyone is community is amazing and I've never paid anyone spend the podcast but now I thinking about interesting would you go who cares? What would what would you even pay for like pâté? Yeah, that'd be that'd be weird speaking Yeah.
[01:03:47] But yeah, no, I know. It's just a mine people. Everyone is communities amazing, really really cool really helpful and they're willing to give their time and talk about themselves. So it's cool. Right right, and that's actually yeah. I'm [01:04:00] always I'm always worried about that statue weather like talking on stage you're doing this kind of stuff because you're kind of like dance monkey dance like you have to be up there and like kind of have to talk.
[01:04:08] If I do not want to talk about me and we'll talk about we also about you. We like live reason I guess is to reach out to more people. Like if I didn't have a podcast I wouldn't know. I don't know polish of I wouldn't be in front of Paul Revere. I wouldn't be in front of Separation. When we front of you.
[01:04:24] I wouldn't that be reaching out to all these cool people and building my massive Network. They would know who I am. So. If something does happen in the future, I need to call on them only to speak to him about something that we all willing to help if I didn't read them about semiramis out there.
[01:04:37] So that's awesome congrats on that man. Thank you. All of you ever if you ever find yourself in Kentucky, you know. Yeah, where can people find you and say hello to you on the internet. You could say hello to us on the internet at Durham brand co.com Instagrams Durham brand Co. There's probably [01:05:00] two.
[01:05:01] Yeah, Twitter's fine. Facebook's whatever but yeah. Those are those are the two social media drugs of choice is the website and Instagram. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. Well likewise, man. Take care. Keep in touch cool. Absolutely as they go. Thanks. Thank you very much listening to this episode of the crazy waffle pocket.
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